On a Wednesday 50 years ago

It was Wednesday 3rd February [like today] but in the grand year of 1960, exactly six months before my 20th birthday.

You can read it all in:

 

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/eraindependence/p/wind_of_change2.htm

Harold Macmillan’s “Wind of Change” Speech

By Alistair Boddy-Evans, About.com

Made to the South Africa Parliament on 3 February 1960:

 I quote just one short excerpt [verbatim]:

 “The wind of change is blowing through this continent, and whether we like it or not, this growth of national consciousness is a political fact. We must all accept it as a fact, and our national policies must take account of it.”

 It was not even a full 15 years since the day when President Truman had stood victorious on board Battleship USS Missouri, having demanded “full and unconditional surrender” from the foe.  Pax Americano had saved the World from tyranny.

 In 1957 The Gold Coast had been the first African colony to obtain independence and was renamed Ghana; it avoided bloodshed under African “hard man” Kwame Nkruhmah for a while but he was eventually toppled in a military coup.

While Macmillan was talking Jomo Kenyatta was slaughtering British “settlers” and Indian businessmen in Kenya and when most who survived had fled he turned his attention to the tribes he didn’t like.  Meantime Belgium handed the Belgium Congo over in the same year.  Tribal slaughter came immediately.

 Within two months after the speech “Sharpeville” was splashed across the entire World.

 Verwoerd having “read the Winds” called a referendum and South Africa declared a Republic in 1961, having to surrender her Commonwealth Membership in the process.  Ian Smith” read the Winds” too and declared UDI on Britain in 1965.  That brought the new phenomenon of terrorism to the World.

 In between Idi Amin Big Dada ruled Uganda with a massive iron fist; his personal death squads kept him alive.

 Portugal read the Winds and simply walked away from Angola and Mozambique in 1973; tribal war followed immediately in both.  Meantime South Africa wisely handed South West Africa over and it duly became Namibia, followed by tribal warfare.

 The British Federation of Nyasaland and the Rhodesia’s had broken up in October 1964 [by some strange coincidence in the same month that Nikita Khrushchev was toppled in Russia and China tested its first nuclear bomb] but Ian Smith held on to Rhodesia until he was forced to hand over to Robert Mugabe in 1980 and this lost soul [having been knighted into Sir Robert] went to war on his own people and the economy immediately, and granted freedom of his land to the terrorist movements, thus leaving South Africa exposed to terrorism right across her entire northern border with a hostile Africa.

 “Back home” Kennedy had founded the school of Liberanarchism and Carter gleefully continued the tradition after a brief Republican interlude under Nixon.  Carter later started visiting Africa regularly to declare and certify “free and fair elections” as if it was like America.

 When President Reagan took over he briefly tried to “stop the Cubans” in Angola [The old Cowboy had never liked  Cubans and covertly assisted South Africa when Cuba provided soldiers in the terrorism onslaught on South Africa from within Angola territory] but it was too late by then.

 What happened next remains covert as the Americans say, and covert means hazy wrapped in sleaze [read slush money] because late in the eighties Bush the Father must have been involved in a deal that was struck to release Mandela from prison in 1990 [strangely once again in February, the 11th to be precise] and making him one of the richest men alive but also leaving his “new cohorts though previous enemies” moderately to comfortably well-off, and with Mandela and his predecessor President de Klerk both honored to share a Nobel Peace Prize.  Clinton had taken over as President and launched his version of Liberanarchism in America, whilst overseeing the final passage of the Winds of Change in Africa, all but over in thirty years.

 Then the winds changed course; it gathered momentum and became a gale force onslaught turned into a storm as it swept north and northwest on England and America.

 Did Macmillan and Kennedy know they were sowing the whirlwinds?  This generation and the next [how many?] must reap the storm.  Who or where is the leader to guide them through it?

 The uncertainty is in the entire international media every day; you have it daily on Blog Sites.  Kennedy and Macmillan were Big Names but they have been replaced by corrupt politicians and bureaucrats.

 There will not be a Pax Americano this time.   Or will Russia, China and Australia take over as the Super Powers in the Cycle that has been in formation during the first decade of the 21st Century in World Affairs.  It may be difficult to scoff at the idea.

 Hold steady Australia.

 PS for American Readers:

 This is no idle ego statement.  I seek no glory when I say that this Blog should be obligatory and compulsory reading for any American born after 1940 to grasp where, how and how much in Africa influenced the course of America in the past 50 years.

Footnote: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:30 AM

 Unfortunately the identical Post that I had placed in the UK Telegraph fell victim to a deluge of troll attacks on their Site, but I have managed to retrieve the content from my private archives and will be placing the UK reader’s comments [about 65 in total] here in just a day or two.  It will provide American readers with a valuable insight in global thinking on the subject.

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5 Responses to “On a Wednesday 50 years ago”

  1. Amanda Roberts Says:

    I usually agree with your article content, but in this case I am sorry to say that I do not share your views.

  2. Ike Jakson Says:

    I have managed to complete full retrieval of the entire UK Comment archive and it will follow as one comment immediately after this.

    It is substantial and you may read part or parts that seem interested to you though I recommend that you should study the entire section for a comprehensive view of English readers in the UK and elsewhere today.

  3. Ike Jakson Says:

    From my UK Telegraph Archives

    Ike – I don’t think things are as bad as many think but I do know that things are going to get much, much worse.

    But still; she’ll be right mate, when the time comes the Aussies only need to send one guy to fix the place up.

    After all, one Aussie equals an Army of millions but only takes up one pub, if we all went out together there’d be no beer for the rest of you. 🙂
    February 03, 2010
    03:46 AM GMT

    Ike – One more comment on Russia and China

    Russia is heading head first into another bloody civil war, the corruption of its leadership is already nearing Tzar times and the people are beginning to show unrest.

    5 years from now I think we will see a brand new Russia.

    As for China, do you really think that America, the fountain of democracy would allow a communist government to lead the world?

    No chance, the Chinese are just suckers in a game of “Lend me all your money because I ain’t gonna pay it back”. That’s the truth of it.

    Why do you think Australia, an incredibly rich country has no problem borrowing billions from them?

    We know soon there will be no one to pay it back to. 🙂

    Already the stage is set for their destruction and they too shall be a diminished nation in a few short years. Only this time it will be a very bloody end.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/02/russia-anti-government-protest-kaliningrad

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61111H20100202
    February 03, 2010
    04:16 AM GMT

    Over the past few decades standards have simply collapsed. One does not need to have real strength — simply the appearance of strength. One does not have to be accomplished, one must only appear to be accomplished.
    The quality of leadership has plummeted as the average intellectual prowess of the mean population. The winds of change blow as they always do but there is no captain or ship fit to face the challenge.
    February 03, 2010
    04:23 AM GMT

    Christopher – we Aussies have a continent awashed with riches, it is not the entire world that is in trouble, only 5 or 6 nations.

    The rest have always been broke, for them there has never been any change whatsoever.
    February 03, 2010
    04:27 AM GMT

    CHL: the Taiwanese president’s pro-China policy has weakened him considerably and will likely increase the possibility that the DPP will form the next Taiwanese government after elections are called in 2012. Why not just give the Taiwanese 2,000 non-conventional weapons with missile technology able to send them to China’s population centres? As Reagan said “peace through strength”.
    February 03, 2010
    04:32 AM GMT

    CHL: my previous comment was about the article you posted regarding China, which in my opinion isn’t much better off than Russia and might be worse off in the long-term.

    Australia is a “unique” country. I am a bit more cynical than you are, however. My concern is that we are in for a long period of nastiness.
    February 03, 2010
    04:36 AM GMT

    I am going to handle your comments separately because they are so different on separate aspects.

    On the first one that you “do know that things are going to get much, much worse,” I fear that is also my view. On the rest I enjoy your whimsical mirth [so typical Aus] but I am also bargaining on you being correct in your summation.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    04:38 AM GMT

    Cool

    On your second comment “As for China, do you really think that America, the fountain of democracy would allow a communist government to lead the world?” America is having an internal “War” on and has lost the ability to dictate to anyone. And I sure hope that we don’t have to rely on China’s corruption to save the World.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    04:39 AM GMT

    Christopher

    You present a fine addition to my summary of events, but you say it even better because I tried to keep my summary of events as short as possible. Thanks
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    04:40 AM GMT

    Sorry Cool

    I will study your links in the second comment and come back to you later because I have to log out in a few minutes until later this afternoon.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    04:42 AM GMT

    Christopher – Not too sure on Taiwanese military capabilities but I think the fact that Nuclear armed American destroyers are constantly patrolling Taiwanese waters makes for a very good deterrent.

    I think the latest arms sales is just a hint from America to the Chinese leadership that it never had as much power as it thought it did.
    February 03, 2010
    04:42 AM GMT

    Ike – when you read the “Chinese” link I think you might change your mind about American strength to dictate terms to the world.

    Catch you later 🙂
    February 03, 2010
    04:45 AM GMT

    Cool Hand and Christopher

    I am pleased to see that you have been talking to each other while I was preparing my replies. Feel free to do so; I like it.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    04:45 AM GMT

    Christopher – I see the same thing in the future. A period of heavy bleeding for many nations.
    February 03, 2010
    04:49 AM GMT

    Luke, I disagree. From what I can tell the Russian people are very patriotic and are quite proud of a strong Russian nation which promotes Russian interests above all else. In other words, and of course generally speaking, my guess is that most Russians are happy enough with Putin (and his puppet)and not about to sacrifice anything for something that once existed in the 1990’s; which as far as most Russians were concerned was abject humiliation. Both Russia and its large near neighbour are playing 19th century politics ie power politics; while the West attempts 21st century politics ie economic based strategies. Where I agree with you though is that something has to give.
    February 03, 2010
    04:53 AM GMT

    You missed out how many of the new leaders were graduates of the Patrice Lumumba University, Moscow, who majored in revolutionary destabilization, and whose ‘liberation’ armies were generously supplied with AK47s courtesy of the Kremlin. And how the whole disastrous abandonment of Africa to socialism and savagery was justified in terms of social progress by covert marxists embedded in Europe’s and America’s foreign affairs departments and universities, and supported by lies in the marxist infested MSM. And so millions have suffered, and the lies are still being told.
    February 03, 2010
    04:54 AM GMT

    Christopher, Good comment. Although, I must say again that the essential difference between the West and the East is that they are playing different strategies. See my previous comment to Luke since there is no point here in repeating myself.
    February 03, 2010
    05:02 AM GMT

    Ike, There are so many variables that it is difficult to predict anything today. Good blog, by the way.
    February 03, 2010
    05:04 AM GMT

    CHL: Taiwan’s military is small compared to China’s but more disciplined and modern. My theory is that Taiwan must have the edge in defence technology in order to preserve its independence order. What the Reuters article didn’t say is that Ma is hated and any mention of making Taiwan part of China brings millions of people out into the streets. They also do not mention that any constitutional change in Taiwan must be approved through referendum. It is unlikely that the Taiwanese who would rather be Japan’s southernmost prefecture than a Chinese SAR would approve. More on that after I get back from Taiwan next month.

    Nobby: do not underestimate me. I understand China much better than you think. I simply have lost all respect for it and would prefer not to have any dealings with it.
    February 03, 2010
    05:06 AM GMT

    Christopher, I neither underestimate you nor overestimate you. Good luck on your trip.
    Nobby
    February 03, 2010
    05:10 AM GMT

    Nobby: now I see that my comment was a bit over the top.
    My apologies for that. The way I see it is that China is trying to show its place in the world and that it should not, can not be ignored or bullied any longer. The problem is that it, to a western viewpoint, is becoming increasingly hostile and paranoid. It is one of those times when there were chances to really make something great out of the situation but it seems as if now it is too late and opinions are too firmly set on both sides.
    February 03, 2010
    05:13 AM GMT

    Christopher – I feel the same as you do, I have never understood why the west is dealing with a communist government that was once a model for hatred and tyranny and still is as far as I am concerned.

    Here in Australia we have always disliked their government and I felt betrayed when our Prime Minister went to deal with them.

    It made a mockery of all the Aussies that died fighting against the communists in Vietnam.

    I am most likely to believe that there is a ploy afoot to bring them down and make them free like the rest of us. well, as free as free can be 🙂

    When you get to Taiwan do me a favor, check out their coastline defenses and see how many American ships are in their harbours, should be interesting.
    February 03, 2010
    05:15 AM GMT

    CHL: that I will do as my time there will be spent in Taiwan’s north and west — especially along the coast.

    The one point I would like to dis-agree with you on is that China is a communist state — there is no longer anything communist about it. They have private ownership of land, private industry, and encourage materialism. China has evolved into at least a semi-fascist state if not a full-fledged fascist state.
    The hyper-nationalism that has been drilled into its citizenry helps to support this.
    February 03, 2010
    05:25 AM GMT

    Christopher – I throw you a rope on that one….

    If china is not communist then why do they jail those who ask for democracy?

    Why do they squash people with tanks when they demonstrate against the state?

    Why do they have secret jails in which they hold democracy fanatics?

    Etc, etc, 🙂
    February 03, 2010
    05:30 AM GMT

    CHL: I will have to throw the rope back to you. Do you think that Mussolini and Franco were very nice people? China is, at the moment, at about the same place as Italy was in the late 1930s. Arguably it is where Germany was. Communist it isn’t but that’s not saying that what is has become is any better.
    February 03, 2010
    05:32 AM GMT

    Thanks for that Christopher although I do not think an apology was really necessary. I accept what you say but as I keep on pointing out as an explanation there is a difference in strategies. In other words the nations we speak have very different priorities and this is reflected in national politics. Luke, There are two systems – one is economic and the other is political – this might help to explain the confusion.
    February 03, 2010
    05:41 AM GMT

    Christopher – I guess we’ll have to meet half way and agree that China is not good place to hold a democracy rally in 🙂
    February 03, 2010
    05:41 AM GMT

    Nobby – My last comment to you as well, Back in 30 minutes or so.
    February 03, 2010
    05:43 AM GMT

    CHL: on the bright side democracy rallies in China will liberate people of taxes, bad bosses, and any stresses and frustrations which they might have if you know what I mean.

    Nobby: agreed. The semantics might be different but the point is similar.
    February 03, 2010
    05:54 AM GMT

    Nice Blog Ike. I met Carter once on a plane in Denver. He gives me the creeps. Dishonest little turd.

    Re China, I believe that it is inevitable that China will be top dog before too long. Its not about what we have but what we are prepared to do. I may have a hand gun and the mugger confronting me may only have a knife. But if he is prepared to stab to kill whereas I am only prepared to shoot to frighten, then he will win. China is ruthless. Lets not forget, we are dealing with a country that is not just a nation but is also a race. That is an immensely unifying characteristic. The US is a powerful country, however, it does not represent one race but many. It wont fight a racial war in the way that Japan did and China will. The Anglo Saxon world can no longer unite under one banner.It is too diverse. Racial diversity may be a good thing in peace, but in war it is divisive. Machiavelli again, I am afraid.
    February 03, 2010
    06:23 AM GMT

    Sipu: a country can not base its prosperity on robbing it from everyone else. That will inevitably backfire. Japan’s rise came as a boon to the world’s economy — so does India’s. China’s rise is parasitic and it will get what it has coming to it soon. Japan cannot be compared to China — their culture is too different and Japan’s wars were fought at a different time period and for different reasons.
    February 03, 2010
    06:50 AM GMT

    Christopher, not sure what you mean by robbing. China is the factory of the world. It is creating huge wealth for itself. It has huge natural resources, though not enough. But nor does any industrialised country, let alone Japan or the US and before them Britain. They all went looking for resources elsewhere. Japan saw itself as superior in every sense. China sees itself as being superior. Its leaders are ruthless as were the Japanese. You do not win by being nice. America is increasingly afraid of conflict that will cost lives. What will the US do when the Chinese fleet sails across to Taiwan? They wont drop a bomb and they wont commit ships and troops that China will blow out of the water. The 5,000 odd lives that the US has lost in Iraq, is peanuts to the Chinese.
    February 03, 2010
    07:18 AM GMT

    Here are a few reasons why China is not going to be the ultimate superpower soon:

    tinyurl.com/lvnjgo

    China is surrounded by nations unlikely to cheer as its power grows. Russia, the Koreas, Japan, Phillipines, Indonesia, Vietnam, India, the Islamic states, all have excellent reasons for resisting Chinese dominance. China is surrounded by rivals. The US, by contrast at least has friends on its immediate borders. Even Alaska borders on the least sensitive portion of Russia.
    February 03, 2010
    07:32 AM GMT

    Nobby [04:53 AM GMT

    Thanks for dropping in. I am dropping in and out today running after a desktop that conked in and trying to keep up on a slow laptop. I managed to get back briefly but I can’t stay long.
    Your summation “Both Russia and its large near neighbour are playing 19th century politics ie power politics; while the West attempts 21st century politics ie economic based strategies. Where I agree with you though is that something has to give.” is on the money, particularly the “has to give” part right at the end.

    You will realize that I had to select from a massive tiny bits amount of information to keep the Blog from growing cumbersome. My point is that the political developments in both America and England over the 50 years in question were largely as a result of their colonial pastes. There have been enormous good from both countries in IT, Science, Space Exploration, Communication and many other developments [as also in the rest of the World], but these two were to a much greater degree influenced by the African Colonial unbundling. I mean, for example, China would have been China during that period whether Africa had existed or not [cutting it short again] but not America and England.

    How is England, which has also changed, going to adjust to its reduced role? Your thoughts please?
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    07:50 AM GMT

    Quincunx [04:54 am GMT]

    I have long known that there is a Dakota man who knows what he talks about and it therefore, pleases me immensely to be able to say that I concur with every word.

    May I then pose a question in line with what I have just posted on Nobby’s observations, and related to your last few words “and the lies are still being told.” And my question is: How are England and America to handle what you say.

    BTW I don’t know whether your opening words refer to me: no offense either way whether it does or does not, if it was at me though, kindly refer to my words to Nobby in this regard as well. My Post had to be short because many people don’t want to read long things so I merely posted the relevant events, or what was pertinent not be excluded [there are many others that I could have included]. Please therefore, accept my appreciation and gratitude to you for extending on other relevant detail.

    Are you still snowed in?
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    07:52 AM GMT

    Nobby [05:04 am GMT]

    Thanks for the kind words. And yes, there are too many variables to predict. But “time has shrunk” as the
    World expanded into the Global Village, which is the reason why it would be silly by anyone to predict.

    On the other hand with “time shrinking as fast as it has over the fifty years in question” would you hazard a suggestion how the “Old English Colonial Worlds” of America and England should handle the current situation ands, say, the next decade. If something “has to give” it will probably happen soon and may need some fast thinking to adjust.

    Do we have the leaders to handle that?
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    07:53 AM GMT

    To All

    Here I must run again. Computers? Just when you don’t need problems?
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    07:54 AM GMT

    Ike – I doubt Britain will be around in 50 years time, I can see the individual countries still around but with a weak democracy-like system pretending to give its people freedom, backed by an even weaker monarchy I don’t think Britain will last at all.

    The signs are all there, bit by bit they are being squeezed out of the international scene and no amount of warmongering or borrowing of money has done any good.

    A shame to say it, but the greatest empire in the world is going, going, gone 😦
    February 03, 2010
    08:00 AM GMT

    Ike, Good questions and I could have anticipated them. I agree that things have to give and that this will be soon. But how soon depends on those variables again. As for the West being able to cope with changes in the world? Well, I think it can because it has to and that democracies are flexible. How much my own present government has done remains to be seen and I agree with Sipu in that Western governments have already eroded much of what used to important in national identity. Nevertheless, many years ago, Winston Churchill replaced as PM a man who did his utmost for peace. Then things changed again.
    February 03, 2010
    08:12 AM GMT

    Christopher [05:05 am GMT]

    LOL! If you allow me doing that when you are serious, will you please?

    I can see your point but I seriously doubt whether China cares for the “respect business” and, secondly, I also doubt whether they care whether the whole of America respects or does not respect them.

    China 2010 is no more of a “communist machine” than America is; it is run for the money and the markets for their goods. And they obviously fully intend to run “an orderly society” whether we agree with them or not on what definition “an orderly society” is based. Does America still have an orderly Society? Does England? Read all the Blogs on this Site for just one week ant tell me what you think.

    There is something to be said for law and order in the money business, and that [the latter] is what colonialism was all about, and what the World is about today. Respect is something that we grew up with and was drilled into you with the cane, or the flat of the backhand if you would not have it inculcated into you otherwise but it has become an “old-fashioned” burden hence was discarded. Very sad, but such is modern life.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    09:13 AM GMT

    Siphu [06:23 am GMT]

    Thanks for the opening compliment! I appreciate. Where have you been, lad?

    Your summation is so accurate and to the point! But may I ask you too [because I am in and out all day] for your views on how “previously Colonial Anglo Saxon America and England” [you will note that I have combined some of your words with some of mine] will deal with the problem in the immediately foreseeable future? I view the matter with great sadness because I see them so divided and tearing at each other’s throats while China is taking control.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    09:15 AM GMT

    Quincunx [07:32 am GMT]

    I take your point and will read your link later on. Yes there is consolation in that and you cover all the geographical aspects.

    However, in everything that I have said about China I referred to the economic aspects. I did not even remotely consider military alternatives because none of the super powers want that. Some rogue nations have to be watched on that point and I rely on all the current super powers to do so. If I am wrong in this thinking the result will be to ghastly to contemplate.

    Economically they will vie with each other, even Russia with China, but I don’t see military confrontation because they all have too much to lose. Warships off the coastlines are more for exhibition than anything else; it’s an old ploy and probably a good thing to keep the rogue Nations in check.

    Economic power is another thing, and the “National will” to do it is a required ingredient to do it. Do we have the leaders with the guts to do that?

    May I inject a bit in jest please, on your reference to Alaska being just “off the coast” [my words] of Russia? Will Sarah Palin run in 2012?
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    09:15 AM GMT

    Ike, Your question deserved a better response. But the truth of the matter is that these are things that deserve thoughtful and deliberate comment and this means thinking further and responding later.
    February 03, 2010
    09:27 AM GMT

    Ike, thank you. To your question, the short answer is, I do not know. CASAE countries, to use an acronym, are approaching the headless chicken stage. The concept of Human Rights is tearing them apart. They have become soft and complacent and the wrong people now hold the seats of power and our systems do not allow us to replace them with the right people. (It is not just a question of electing a new President or Prime Minister, the people who could best do the job have too many skeletons lurking in the cupboards, as do we all. The vetting process throws out too many babies with the bath water. In Britain the party system is too collegiate for a maverick leader to be elected.)

    All we can do is dwell on the words of Mr Shelley:

    OZYMANDIAS
    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.
    February 03, 2010
    09:54 AM GMT

    Ike, No need now for me to get back to you on this. Sipu has said it all.
    February 03, 2010
    10:01 AM GMT

    Cool Hand Luke 08:00 am GMT

    I have a very high regard for Australians and have good friends in Perth; we email all the time.

    Actually we met in North Carolina USA when we both motor homed around and they came to visit me here in early 2000. He was very cynically un-British and voted for Australian “independence” in the referendum on that and at some stage told me that they would have won “if the question had been asked correctly.”

    Are you having another referendum on that soon?

    But I am still sad about England. Not only does our daughter live there and has she just a few weeks ago accepted a top job offer after passing her final exams [and she ain’t returning down here], but I have other old ties with England. I am sad for them for what you say and fervently hope you are wrong.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    10:31 AM GMT

    Nobby [08:12 GMT]

    Thanks once more and if I may refer you to my response to Cool Hand Luke immediately above here you will understand why I say that your comment gives me some hope.

    But unfortunately old values are fragile and there is no cohesiveness of purpose that we used to have; I have like Siphu referred to the “Anglo Saxon” but even that has become a misnomer. The description has gone and a New World Order whatever that means has come into existence.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    10:32 AM GMT

    Ike – Yes, I hope I am wrong but I don’t see the countries changing much, only the titles. 50 years from now there might not be a Britain but there will always be an England, a Scotland, a Wales, an Ireland etc.

    No, I don’t think we’ll have the referendum soon, personally I rather we stay the way we are. But dump the monarchy stuff and all that useless royal pomp.

    The last royal visit cost us a fortune and we got nothing out of it 😦
    February 03, 2010
    12:15 PM GMT

    Sipu [09:54 GMT]

    Thanks firstly for the summation in the first part. Perhaps we will just have to learn to cope because we have to as Nobby said.

    But thank you for Mr Shelley. Man is capable of so much beauty. Let us hope that we can all strive to achieve that.

    To conclude in jest [I know that I should stop this but … oh well], perhaps we will be able to achieve said hope if we ban politics and let “We the People” run the country. You find one where we can do that, do let me know and I will come join you.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    01:37 PM GMT

    Cool Hand Luke

    Thanks for helping out. We will stay in touch.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    01:39 PM GMT

    Ike: I did not say that Chinese was communist — they aren’t. That’s what I said to Luke. They currently exhibit more Mussolini-like tendencies than anything else. Mussolini was, after all, the gentleman who made the trains run on time.

    Sipu: the Chinese manipulate their currency to under-cut jobs elsewhere. Their economic growth comes largely from that. When tariffs are finally put into place we will see how successfully China responds to a level playing field…
    February 03, 2010
    05:57 PM GMT

    Sipu
    I forgot to tell you that I met Former President Carter three different time times and shook his hand on all three occasions on being introduced as a visitor from South Africa to Plains GA.

    On one visit in 1987 my Lady and I attended his Sunday school for adults with our two children and two friends in attendance. And a few years later I had the honour of being interviewed by his daughter Amy Carter who was then the Sumter County Herald Reporter and got a full half of the front page with my photo in the Herald.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    06:37 PM GMT

    Christopher 05:57 PM GMT

    Thanks. I agree with you China is no more of a Communist Country than the USA is. They are indeed as good as the USA in subsidies and lobbyists to ensure that they sell their products.

    They may be a one-party State but they didn’t take long to learn all the tricks of capitalism.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    06:45 PM GMT

    Well Ike, maybe we disagree on the chap. I wrote to him when I was living in Atlanta in 2002. I had just been on the phone to my brother on his farm, my family home, in Zimbabwe, where he was blockaded by ZANU PF thugs. He was chased off the next day, never to return.

    I had been in the Rhodesian Army when Carter was President. Carter had pushed very hard for SA to put pressure on Smith to accept the principle of majority rule. I wrote to Carter to say that he was partly responsible for the crap that was going on in Zim at the time. His actions had led to Mugabe gaining power. I said that the problem was that it was not black Zimbabweans that Carter had been concerned about, but rather he was pandering to the black American vote. I told Carte he needed to apologise for not just his actions, but his motives as well. He wrote back. Essentially, all he said was that I was right about Mugabe but Smith had to go because he was a racist. In essence he was saying that the starving Zimbabweans were better off because they could cast their vote even if their vote was ignored. Noble ideals do not put bread on the table. Those bastards, and Carter is not alone, need to acknowledge the mistakes they made in dismissing the concerns of people like Smith. Mugabe stuffed up a country just as we warned that he would. When Carter admits he made mistakes and apologises, I will forgive him.

    Of course I accept your concerns are very different and your attitude is based on other criteria.
    February 03, 2010
    07:05 PM GMT

    Ike: what do the Americans, French, and Chinese have in common? They are equally hypocritical and self-serving.
    I’m not always especially fond of any of the three’s policies. Perhaps the only reason why I come down in favour of the USA when times are tough is that it is better a bumbling fool with a heart than a cunning hyena plotting its way to its demise.

    Sipu: Carter left much to be desired. He, perhaps more than anyone since Garibaldi found the most perfect synthesis of cynicism and idealism — the most effective way to balance sheer stupidity with honeyed words. He did not get re-elected, though which proves that a majority of Americans might be blinkered by a charlatan once but are not likely to be twice — unless the option is between charlatan 1 and charlatan 2 in which there is very little choice so the less repugnant of the two tends to get elected.
    February 03, 2010
    08:59 PM GMT

    Sipu

    Take it that you were not alone in those experiences, though it is of course, easy for me to say so because I wasn’t in your shoes.

    But you have had an experience that probably made you a better person inside. And the future beckons for all of us. Nobody can unravel the past but we can all try to improve the future.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    10:55 PM GMT

    Christopher

    You made some great contributions here. Many Thanks.
    Ike
    February 03, 2010
    10:56 PM GMT

    Ike, sorry it has taken me so long to respond . . . I have to live real life, too! I had no quarrel with what you wrote, simply wanted to add the extra dimension – especially for younger bloggers – that included the context of decolonization in relation to the great political/philosophical conflict of the 20th Century between Marxist Statism and Western Capitalism.

    Although now the great social divide seems to be between religious extremism and liberal secularism, statist ideas about the appropriate relation between individuals and government predicated on the philosophy of Hegel and Marx infect so much of current thinking that the very center of debate is skewed drastically toward the primacy of authority. It will take decades of bitter experience to erode that misplaced faith . . . and the process can hardly begin until those who have lived by that faith their entire lives are dead.

    Brown, Carter, Straw, Hain, Obama, Clinton, Putin, Sarkozy, will be long gone before the cult of statism begins to ebb. What will speed the process is the rise of international corporatism – supranational forces with the organization and resources to coerce and crush mere petty national governments. The umbrella term for the rise of these entities is New World Order. For individuals, the cure for statism may be worse than the disease in the short term – but at least it will finally divert our political philosophy out of the blind alley it has been stuck in for 150 years.

    Most of our snow is melted right now at lower elevations – but there’s still 2 months left for big storms . . .
    February 04, 2010
    02:41 AM GMT

    I have been reading a recent interview with André Brink. Dreadful to have fought so hard for a noble ideal, only to be surrounded by painful results.

    Perhaps more time is needed. Perhaps it is too early yet.
    February 04, 2010
    02:52 AM GMT

    Thanks Quincunx

    Now you have given me a lot to chew the cud. I appreciate and I shall study. Go well.
    Ike
    February 04, 2010
    04:45 AM GMT

    Hi Friend

    Yes, but it’s hard to say who is more disappointed. My Blog was more on what the aftermath of Africa will be in America and England, but the aftermath has been with us; in fact over some of us.

    That is a long story and I know that Brink has recently joined the ranks of the disappointed ones because he once supported change like I did, and our dreams were shattered.

    But such is Africa.
    Ike
    February 04, 2010
    04:47 AM GMT

    In parts of San Francisco, California one can find some of the most beautiful buildings built during the 20th century. To the north there is the Palace of Fine Arts and Golden Gate Bridge. To the east the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge and a beautiful port area. Los Angeles is home to some of the best Art Deco architecture to be found anywhere. San Diego was the centre for the City Beautiful movement in the first third of the 20th century. Most remarkably the largest inland part in California, Stockton, was at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries one of the most beloved locations in the state — people from far and wide would go there to spend the weekend. From San Francisco and the greater Bay Area they would take Steam Ships across the rivers and the Delta. To-day Stockton is one of the worst cities in California if not the United States as a whole — one of the greatest drops in real estate prices, high unemployment, and some of the worst violent crime anywhere. San Francisco and San Diego are somewhat better off but they also have many, many problems. As for Los Angeles the less that is said the better. The point of this is that California, once the Coast of Dreams is now known as the Coast of Broken Dreams. There was so much hope for so long that this elusive Eden, this western promised land on which one could face west across the vast ocean separating the New World from the ancient civilisations of the Orient or east across the vast expanse of land that is the New World and, further out, the great civilisations of Europe. Now, the hopes are dashed and the roads are filled with people moving on. One cannot build a dream, a fantasy. One can certainly dream but life, reality and fantasy are often unreconcilable.
    February 04, 2010
    05:18 AM GMT

    A bleak blog, Ike. But it is strictly true. Why is Africa apparently ungovernable? Well, I think it is governable, but not by our customary means. The people whom I think of as ‘tribal Africans’ have perceptions and thoughts quite different from ours ; and the wily politicians know how to exploit this.

    Any hope that Africa will become a continent of European-style democracies any time soon is foolish, I think. Even welding the tribes into self-governing nations is fraught with difficulties. If Africa ever does become fully democratic, it will be many generations hence.

    But Africa is a resource-full continent ; a tempting prize for other nations to go for. So, I suspect that it will become a continent of client states with puppet governments and foreign armies – echoes of India here.
    February 04, 2010
    12:23 PM GMT

    Christopher

    I am going to take the Liberty as Jamie did, to enter at this point because he has the knowledge on what I regard as the reason for what you describe, and I noticed his presence when I logged in.

    People differ, and by that I mean that individuals differ. The adage of the last two hundred years that the differences are racial or that it is religion or language does not clarify the situations that you describe for that area, and we have it here too.

    It may be oversimplifying to say that a group of people who flock to a certain area do so and continue to stay there because they like it, but there may be a lot of truth in it.

    Sometimes it is best if people are left to live their lives the way they choose to do so.
    Ike
    February 04, 2010
    06:04 PM GMT

    Jamie

    Yes, it was a bleak, but it was for research and the response I got will be analysed. It is also a complicated issue.

    Your statements/questions are directly related to my views on Christopher’s comment in the area he refers to right above your comment.

    When you get the chance one day find a book called ‘A very Strange Society’ by Allen Drury [researched and published 1966]. He of course, needs no introduction and builds his case on the premise that the colonial powers in Africa wanted the minerals of Southern Africa, the Oil of Northern Africa, and the market for their goods in the entire continent, and that has not changed.

    But in his summation he gets the closest to my line of thinking. Africa is not ungovernable; it is only so because we wanted to force our system of government down their throats. AFRICA IS PERFECTLY GOVERNABLE THE AFRICAN WAY.

    Did you know that there is a strong school of thought developing down here that we should revert to “indigenous law” for everyday affairs? We have attorneys and educators supporting that view. Their argument is that the Western form of Democracy cannot work in Africa. Don’t laugh; of course many restrictions on their daily lives were removed the ”Western Way” in 1994, but many will tell you that they had a lot more freedom when the Headman of the tribe ruled in the minor [and often not so minor] affairs of the day.

    We are aghast at our President having just recently married his sixth or eighth wife [Western Liberty Women’s Rights are aghast] but he has also just admitted to fathering another child by another nineteen year old more or less at the time when he married the next addition that I mentioned into his harem.

    When Zuma was on trial for rape a few years ago and for fraud/corruption recently [it lasted years before he succeeded to have the prosecution annulled] thousands of people gathered at the court every day to show their support for their Hero. Do you know the supporters were seventy % young females, the other thirty % young males? They love the guy.

    Your closing paragraph probably best describe the foreseeable future

    Rest my case.
    Ike
    February 04, 2010
    06:06 PM GMT

    Yes, Ike, Africa is governable ; but only if left alone. Alas, that will not happen, because (as you say) there are too many foreign interests at stake.
    February 04, 2010
    06:17 PM GMT

    Jamie

    On the matter as summarised in your second comment LOL, you guys mustn’t be deluded to think that Africa is taking you seriously. Oh yes, they know that Westerners like words like Freedom, Democracy and Human Rights. Yes, they will even comply and call it that; they will call anything what you want them to call it as long as you have the grease money, but after the money has gone into the back pocket they will ignore you in any event. Nobody can change Africa. Never.

    In fact, Africa is fine and is doing fine, exactly as planned by their “Leaders” and they are not concerned about anything. It’s you guys that my concern in the Blog is addressed to.
    Ike
    February 04, 2010
    09:12 PM GMT

    Ike: the purpose of my comment was to illustrate just how futile living in a world of fantasy is. No matter how much idealism, hope a person can have — no matter how beautiful the temples built to these dreams are there is never a certainty that they will not, too, one day be abandoned when the ugly realities of life set in. That applies to Africa as well as Europe. Really, it applies to most things in the world to-day.
    Perhaps it sounds rather too cynical but more and more I am beginning to believe that my world is long gone and what is around me now is no longer my battle.
    February 05, 2010
    04:58 AM GMT

    Christopher

    Yes, it seems as if you are not the only one to experience that forlorn sadness. I have detected that in many but I am fortunate in being out of the large cities and still have hope for the open countryside and the humble folk who populate my kind of place.

    Thanks once more for dropping in.
    Ike
    February 05, 2010
    05:52 PM GMT

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