Abdullah and the Truth

I study perceptions and much [maybe most] of my work in Blogging has to do with perceptions as conveyed by the man in the street.  This one caught my eye.

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/19/bomb-iran/

In comment no. 9 submitted by abdullah69 April, 20 at 12:52 am he wrote [and I quote verbatim]:

“It is naïve to believe the US can exist outside a state of conflict with someone, somewhere. The defence industry has too much control over Congress for that to happen.”

 I wished it was possible to say that he is wrong but I cannot find fault with his statement, or maybe just add my observation that he perhaps omitted to add that it is the same with defense industries and Governments Worldwide.

 War is good business all over and the incentives are enormous.

 What a World to live in?

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18 Responses to “Abdullah and the Truth”

  1. christophertrier Says:

    In his farewell address to the nation in 1961, Dwight David Eisenhower warned the people of the United States to be wary of the growing might of the military industrial sector. He said that the US should always have a strong military but, unless there is a war, it should be kept only strong enough for defensive purposes and only strengthened when necessary.
    It was his warning that, if left unchecked, the United States would become economically dependent on a constant state of warfare. This has come to pass. The USA, to a great extent, depends on military positions — military technology, military industry, military personnel… This has spread to the civilian sector, as well. San Diego, California, for example, relies heavily on its military bases. Could the US survive without war? Yes, well enough, in fact. The problem is that to do so would require the entire economic model of the past 40 years to be changed.

    • Ike Jakson Says:

      Thank you christophertrier

      Your comment is of particular importance because of the summation in the last sentence.

      Though the previous comment that triggered my Post as I explained in there did not mention it, it was at the core of his statement too. I somehow doubt whether any country with such a sophisticated economic structure can develop the political will to change as much as you say needs to be done to do so.

      They will therefore have to continue to feed of the need for weapons, in the process therefore actually stimulating demand for more.

      If I may go off topic briefly, are you by any chance the same person or related to one Christopher Aus Trier that Blogs with the UK Telegraph.

      Either way, welcome to my WordPress Blog.

  2. christophertrier Says:

    Hello Ike,
    as I am half-asleep at the time of this writing this will be brief and likely redundant. Yes, it is I, Christopher aus Trier. I joined word press in order to be part of a new “community” which sprang up in response to the dysfunction of MyT.

    There is something else which makes me wonder… During the time when the military industrial complex began to grow more dominant in the US civilian industry started to wane dramatically. The former picked up a lot of the slack from the latter. It makes me wonder if this is the beginning of the end for the United States. If war, an extremely costly endeavour, is so critical for the economic health of the nation, then what would happen in the long-term when the country loses the will to fight? Or at least the citizens become more wary of constant conflict.

    • Ike Jakson Says:

      Christopher

      I can see your line of thinking and agree that people are tiring of war worldwide but I don’t think that it will go as far as your fears for “another” overall economic slump for that reason. The investment banks are back in their old tricks and they will create the slumps that are to come. Hehehe.

      Weapon manufacturing will continue because of an insatiable demand for hardware wherever conflict arises. Some buyers simply like to buy Tomcats because it is a beautiful machine, and there are many of them. Others will create conflict to use the machines; it’s a mad world we live in Master Chris.

      Israel also has a right to defend what they have and America will supply them whether some like it or not. Then you have Africa; they want to get in on the act and America will have to supply because if they don’t someone else will. Let’s not even mention the rogue states but do you think for one moment that everyone else except America simply adores Iran, North Korea … and a few others. I bet not, and they are all arming themselves to the teeth. It sounds great when President Obama signs agreements to limit nuclear proliferation but it makes me smile. Who is lying to whom? Who believes in those pieces of paper? I don’t.

      I must cut it short. I left MyT [though I still comment there once in a blue moon] and was one of the first with the “new group” but at that stage the only one with an existing WordPress Blog. It’s another topic for another day but I pulled out of the “new one” real fast when some of the old “fringe” from MyT streamed in. There was never anything wrong with MyT and there still isn’t anything wrong. They still have some very fine and knowledgeable Bloggers there but I doubt it though if anyone has a Blogging system for the unruly British whims. You must know that we have a daughter who has settled there; we talk a lot and we don’t agree on everything but the British have become a dysfunctional lot in my eyes. They have lost the will to fight and the ability to recognize the enemy so now they fight each other. LOL but let us leave that for another day. I shall email you if you want to; do let me know if I may.

  3. christophertrier Says:

    Hello Ike,
    of course there would always be a weapons industry. Iran is hardly well liked — that antipathy goes back centuries, not decades. Saudi Arabia especially is highly wary of them. Saudi Arabia also sits on a nice pile of cash and can afford to buy weapons. It is interesting how you mention Israel. The United States sends it aide money each year and Israel, in turn, buys weapons from the United States with it. It’s only a little bit murkier than sending the weapons directly. Mind you, I have a lot of respect for Israel and am also strongly in favour of Israel being a strong, stable state. It’s one of the few in the area that actually is. If the likes of Obama get their way there is more likely to be a final show down than a peaceful solution. The last time Israel showed weakness they faced a years-long Intifada.

    Outside of North Korea there is another strong reason why many in Asia are building up their militaries — China. Despite what many blinkered analysts might wish to think China is deeply unloved in Asia. The most China-friendly country in the region, Indonesia, has only just over a quarter of the population expressing comfort with Chinese regional dominance. It is likely that Taiwan, South Korea, India, and others, including, inevitably, Japan, will continue their military build-up.

    As for the British, yes, you are right. I see it as Britain having lost its place in the world — not necessarily the loss of empire but the loss of so many things including control of its borders and society. Social breakdown is also becoming more evident. It’s much like the USA, really. They don’t know how to deal with things so they become paranoid and, like cats in a bag, fight each other blindly.

    • Ike Jakson Says:

      Christopher

      Thanks for the many thoughts.

      I have come to believe that World Events happen in Circles and/or Cycles with lots of overlapping.

      This year should reveal some kind of pattern after the Elections in Britain and the EU. Let’s hope for the best, but a World without nuclear stockpiles I take with a large bag of salt.

  4. Nolanimrod Says:

    I’m glad Chris told us he was half asleep. Otherwise I would have had to punish Chris, and no one wants THAT.

    There hasn’t been a serious war like WWI or II anywhere on this planet since 1945.

    That is because of the U.S.

    Europe couldn’t defend itself against a pack of determined Cub Scouts.

    Turkey’s army is bigger that that of France, Germany, Belgium, and Great Britain. As Turkey gets more Muslim, contrary to the wishes of Mustafa Kemal, do you suppose the phrase “The Gates of Vienna” doesn’t waft around in a few Turkic brains?

    Well, if we keep starving that military-industrial beast we may discover the answer to that question.

  5. Nolanimrod Says:

    Christopher also mentions Saudi Arabia.

    They have progressed a bit from the days when ibn Saud would churn around in his Rolls and toss gold to his homeys, but now, having ingested trillions of petrodollars, they … What, again, was the name of that world-class university? The museum? Conservatory?

    Who has time for that when they can fund imams who indoctrinate criminals in America’s penitentiaries? Or madrassas that teach that Americans and Jews eat Arab babies?

    • Ike Jakson Says:

      Nolanimrod

      I almost missed the additional comment but I had so far not mentioned the Petro-Dollars and arms manufacturing. I good portion will of course, go towards that, making everybody very happy.

  6. christophertrier Says:

    Nolanimrod: I didn’t suggest that the United States should dis-arm, merely that it cannot continually fight wars that are not absolutely necessary for its own survival or the survival of allies. It is also simply foolish to think that Western concepts could be brought to distant lands and be expected to flourish magically. Iraq’s brief history has involved little more than brutality and vindictive tit-for-tat politics. When the British attempted to bring democracy there it went badly. Afghanistan isn’t even a country as much as a lump of various ethnicities united only in their dislike of the Pushtun.
    Kosovo was a European affair, not an American. And, of course, there is the cock-ups of cock-ups, Vietnam, which the Americans decided to inherit from the French and make an even bigger mess of than before. So there hasn’t been a massive war since 1945 and the United States has played perhaps the most critical role in that. The United States has, when behaving responsibly, been able to prevent the forces of the dark side from running amok. (the Iron and Bamboo Curtains)

    Now, be serious. I only mentioned that Saudi Arabia is sitting pretty on a pile of cash. I didn’t mention anything about them spending it on anything of merit, did I? They didn’t. Much like most resource rich states they become dependent on the flow of cash from that rather than building up their own economic base. It is much like Spain during its golden age. Once the flow becomes a trickle, however, they are royally buggered. Where as Qatar is investing heavily in its human commodity Saudi Arabia is not.

    • Ike Jakson Says:

      Christopher

      I like your references to “Western style government concepts” in the “other regions” because I have come to believe that to be the greatest fallacy ever in World Politics.

      Someone once asked me in another Blog [on African matters and governance] whether I thought that Africa cannot govern itself. I replied “No hang ON THERE, WAIT A MINUTE AND DON’T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Africa is perfectly able to govern itself, and the people would be happy with such governance, if they do it the African way.” The “Western way” and “Western Democracy” has never and will never work in Africa [probably not in the Middle East either for that matter] but the time proven old method of Rule and dispensation of Justice by the “Chief of the Clan and his Induna Council” has worked. It is the only way to work. Let Africa [and the Middle-East] govern themselves in their own way.

      The West should stay out of it entirely and find Jimmy Carter something else to do in the time that he spends meddling in African Affairs with a Democracy that does not even work in America.

      Over to you great Nimrod.

  7. christophertrier Says:

    Ike: to be fair some concepts DID spread to other regions, albeit in heavily altered ways. While South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan may all have functioning democracies, for example, they are very different from those found in the west. The closest, perhaps, is the Taiwanese version. It also, as it happens, is the newest of the three having only existed since 1996.
    Japanese democracy, for example, is not that much different than Chinese democracy if one really looks at it. Although life is much, much better in Japan the country has for most of its post-war history been dominated by one party. Even when the parties changed, however, the new party is still dominated by former members of the old who wished to start a new party in order to gain power for themselves. Japanese politics also tends to favour members of political dynasties. The majority, by far, of Prime Ministers have all come from the established elite. Compare that to Reagan, Thatcher, Merkel, Rudd, Shipley, Harper, usw. For all the faults in the countries and their systems — and there are many, there is truly a chance for people to rise up to the highest office. In Japan there isn’t. Why did I write that? Because Japan is a common example of a non-Western country with really no strong Democratic tradition to have, in theory, become a democracy.

    • Ike Jakson Says:

      Christopher

      We are battling with serious Internet Connection problems out in the sticks where I live and it is getting worse [in jest, per your summation “to be fair some concepts DID spread to other regions, albeit in heavily altered ways.” Heavily diminished ways too, I may add.

      I shall be back as soon as it is better but you may continue to contribute as and when you wish.

  8. Levent Says:

    Interesting blog and discussion. Thanks.

    • Ike Jakson Says:

      Thanks Levent

      I just carry on by my own self in my little corner and look out for the snippets that others miss. But the Time Rag is an old foe of mine and I get a lot from them to keep me busy in between other things.

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